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Brazilian magician, Khronnus, is master of
bizarre and magic. Here he tells Huw
Collingbourne how he helped to bring a
‘psychic healer’ to justice.
Khronnus was born in a small town of Caxias
do Sul in the South of Brazil called, in the
state of Rio Grande do Sul. He recalls that
it was his grandmother who introduced him to
magic by making things ‘vanish’
when he was about seven or eight years old.
When he was a teenager, Khronnus developed an
interest in the more ‘mysterious’
aspects of magic. He thinks this may have
been due to his mother’s belief in
spirits and mysticism such as tarot and
palm-reading.
His investigations into mysticism eventually
led him to decide to become a mentalist.
Khronnus has been working as a professional
magician for about seven years, since the age
of 16. In a recent TV programme, which has
been broadcast internationally, he helped to
expose one of Brazil’s most famous
‘psychics’. Khronnus is currently
preparing another TV special to be shown in
Brazil later this year. He is also planning
to publish a series of three booklets on
“Psychic Magic”: Vol1, Metal
Bending, and Materialization; Vol2 PK, Moving
Objects with your Mind; Vol3 Psychic
Masterpieces.
Huw: Many thanks for doing
this interview, Khronnus. Can you tell us a
bit more about the fake psychic you
exposed in your recent TV show? Who
exactly is he?
Khronnus: His name is Thomaz
Green Morton de Souza Coutinho, He has been
working as psychic in Brazil for the last 25
years.
Huw: What was so bad about
him?
Khronnus: He is a fake and a
criminal. He is being investigated for being
responsible for four deaths, three of them as
a psychic healer, one of them for driving
while drunk. He is being hunted by the
Federal Police of Brazil, for money
laundering, murder, illegal practice of
medicine and illegal enrichment. He also used
drugs to cause hallucinations in his
"patients". He would take a pack of
sugar, transform this into a yellow
"healing powder" and then tell his
patients to drink it with coffee
.
Huw: And how did you come to
be involved in the TV show?
Khronnus: Thanks to
"psychic hunter", James Randi who
recommended me to the TV company as the most
accomplished magician in Brazil to do the job.
Huw: Some magicians and
mentalists would argue that it is always bad
to expose fake psychics. After all, if you
expose the methods they use, aren't you
also exposing the methods used by
mentalists?
Khronnus: No. All magicians
and mentalists have the obligation to expose
people who are using misdirection and other
magical principles to fool other people with
the single objective of making easy money.
These kinds of people are parasites of our
society. They hurt people, they kill, they
rob, and all of them without exception should
go to jail. Our art is made for
entertainment, not for criminality.
Huw: What sort of magic and
mentalist tricks did this psychic
perform?
Khronnus: These are a
few:
Huw: And how did you manage
to catch him 'at it'?
Khronnus: For the first time
in 25 years he allowed the cameras and a TV
crew to spend a week in his farm. After that
I watched the tapes and caught him at his
tricks.
Huw: You do quite a bit of
mentalism yourself. Which mentalist effects
or routines do you find the most
powerful?
Khronnus: All those that
seem like genuine psychic power are very
strong. (Telepathy, PK, cold reading, etc.) I
also like to predict "big events"
(such as soccer finals, etc.). Divination
effects are also very good.
Huw: How about fork bending?
Do you find that audiences are still
interested in that? And do they believe that
it is 'for real'?
Khronnus: The thing about
metal bending is that even educated,
intelligent people believe it's real;
this applies to moving objects with "the
power of your mind" also. That’s
why I think audiences are still interested in
it.
Huw: How easy is it to learn
to do fork and spoon bending?
Khronnus: I think this is
the kind of thing that you learn by doing it.
You learn those small, but very important
things that change the trick into a
"genuine phenomenon" only by
presenting it. You get better with
experience. It’s not just that:
"look, a regular spoon... now it's
bent", it's a lot more then
that...
Huw: Did you learn from
books or videos? Or did you just teach
yourself?
Khronnus: I watched Geller as
a child and start imitating him; during this
I developed my own techniques. After that, as
a teenager, I went to the books and
videos.
Huw: You also specialize in
spooky and bizarre magic. Can you give us an
idea of the kind of spooky routines you
perform?
Khronnus: My favourite at
the time is the Ouija board effect that goes
with this interview. I love to perform spirit
and mediumistic effects in general. I also
like ‘body’ effects as
nail-into-nose, knife-into-eye,
pencil-throughtongue, this kind of
stuff.
Huw: Do you like to scare
your audiences?
Khronnus: I love to.
Huw: What's the
strangest or funniest reaction you've
ever had from an audience?
Khronnus: Once at a business
dinner the lady who was hiring me fainted
while I did a Voodoo routine. And once at a
radio show a priest called the radio claiming
that I was Satan.
Huw: How did you start to
get interested in that style of magic? Was it
through watching other magicians? Or were you
more influenced by horror films and
books?
Khronnus: Neither one nor
the other. I think it comes from my early
interest in mysteries of the supernatural,
the feats of "circus freaks" and
Role Playing Games
Huw: Is there any other
magician who scares you...?
Khronnus: I don't think
there’s anyone who scares me, but I
love to watch and read anything from Tony
Andruzzi.
Many thanks to both Khronnus and Huw for
providing us with this interview
By Huw Collingbourne
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